Saturday, September 14, 2019

Red Letter/Jesus' Teachings


Here's a starting attempt to address the direct teachings of Jesus, as found in the Bible. These teachings, it seems to many of us, are very directly and overwhelmingly connected with the Way of Grace and Justice specifically as it relates to the poor, the marginalized, the "least of these." I've tried to color code them a bit. 

Jesus' words in general in Red.
Jesus' words that are directly about wealth and/or poverty in Bright Green.
Jesus' words that are perhaps less directly (but still pretty clearly) touching on matters of poverty and marginalization in Dark Green (for instance, most of his dealings, because those who were sick were often also those who were poor and marginalized and "unclean," which also addresses a common theme of Jesus dealing with the Pharisees and their rule-ways.)
The Pharisees words/actions in Purple.
Jesus' words dealing with the Pharisees in Lavender.
Jesus' words addressing the Realm/Kingdom of God in Gold (I prefer Realm, by the way, to get away from the patriarchy of Kings and Kingdoms, just a matter of choice, related very much to Jesus' words about warnings about the wealthy and powerful, i.e., including "the kings...")
MY parenthetical words are in [Bold] (where I try to offer a brief explanation for how I coded things/why I say a given passage is about money or poverty, for instance.)

This is very much a working draft, I'm still thinking about and revising it. I thought some may want to help me think this through (some, no doubt, by their attacks on what I've said, but hopefully some by way of reasoned dialog, as well).

Of course, it's long. I was using only Luke's Gospel to keep it more manageable. And I've only gone through as far as Chapter 19. I've also included, as briefly as possible, some contextual words that help explain what Jesus is commenting about. Those are in regular Black.

Stopping at 19 is helpful, I think, because that's about where Jesus begins his approaching death and resurrection process and, if you've missed "the Gospel" and its direct ties to wealth and poverty/the marginalized going into that part of the story, you're likely going to miss the point of that part of the story, too. I plan to do the rest of Luke, eventually, but this was a good stopping place for me to review and edit and perhaps have some feedback.

You will see an AWFUL lot of green in these texts. I'll need to "weigh" how much green versus red versus other eventually. RIGHT NOW, as I have them divided, it's interesting: Of the Green Words of Jesus where I have counted him as talking about wealth and poverty, simple living, justice for the poor and oppressed, etc... I have a "green word count" of 4964.

Of the Red Words where Jesus is talking about ALL OTHER topics, I have a "red word count" of 4936.

Green Word Count: 4964
Red Word Count: 4936

Hm. By my current factoring, Jesus talked FULLY for HALF of his words about justice and grace for the poor and marginalized.

I haven't counted it, but I can easily note (and anyone can easily see) that he talks about homosexuality ZERO times. He talks about gay marriage and abortion ZERO times. He talks about "sexual immorality," in general, very little in comparison to the wealth/poverty topic.

Hm.

Of course, one caveat is that texts can be seen in a variety of ways. A text may be dealing with the Pharisees and their graceless attacks upon Jesus, but it also may be dealing with some notion of poverty and wealth. For instance.

Another caveat is, that as you look at Jesus' teachings en masse - and especially those where he's actually giving a sermon or telling stories/parables - we need to look at overall tones and themes and messages, not a mere word count on one topic or another. I'm suggesting that we find themes of grace and justice especially and specifically as it relates to the poor and marginalized, along with themes of repentance (in general, which could and oftentimes do include specific calls for repentance for the Pharisees and those caught up in systems of oppression and rule-making over and against grace and justice) and themes of dealing with the schemes and ideas of the Pharisees, Sadducees and the ruling elite. Over and against these, I'm not sure what other themes we might find that are in any way comparable in weight in Jesus' specific teachings.

A work in progress...

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LUKE 2
When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.”

“Why were you searching for me? Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”
But they did not understand what he was saying to them. [Jesus was going to be a different type of child/person]

LUKE 4

The devil said to him, “If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread.”
Jesus answered, It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone.’[simple living, reliance upon God]
The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.”
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’”
The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down from here. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you to guard you carefully;
they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”
Jesus answered, “It is said: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’

The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.
[Jesus says he came to preach good news specifically to the poor, to preach to the marginalized... this is why Jesus came, he said, to start his ministry]
Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.
All spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words that came from his lips. “Isn’t this Joseph’s son?” they asked.
Jesus said to them, “Surely you will quote this proverb to me: ‘Physician, heal yourself!’ And you will tell me, ‘Do here in your hometown what we have heard that you did in Capernaum.’”
Truly I tell you, no prophet is accepted in his hometown. I assure you that there were many widows in Israel in Elijah’s time, when the sky was shut for three and a half years and there was a severe famine throughout the land. Yet Elijah was not sent to any of them, but to a widow in Zarephath in the region of Sidon. And there were many in Israel with leprosy in the time of Elisha the prophet, yet not one of them was cleansed—only Naaman the Syrian.”



Be quiet!” Jesus said sternly (to the demoniac). “Come out of him![healing usually involved those marginalized and poor]

Jesus went out to a solitary place. The people were looking for him and when they came to where he was, they tried to keep him from leaving them. But he said, “I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent.” And he kept on preaching in the synagogues of Judea. [In speaking of Preaching the good news or the good news of God's Realm, Jesus never mentions anything like the evangelical Penal Substitution theory of Atonement (that Jesus' Gospel is that we're all filthy sinners, bound for hell, but that Jesus can save some of us by "paying for" our "sins" with his "blood" to appease an otherwise unappeasable "angry god"), and instead, usually it's spoken of in context of his working with the poor and marginalized - again, Jesus MANY TIMES mentions preaching the Gospel, but never mentions anything like "the gospel of the Penal Substitutionary Theory of Atonement." Vital. IF that was "the gospel," don't you think it would at least come up in some way or another when Jesus spoke of preaching the gospel?]

LUKE 5

When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into deep water, and let down the nets for a catch.

[The fishermen caught lots of fish]

Then Jesus said to Simon, “Don’t be afraid; from now on you will fish for people.” So they pulled their boats up on shore, left everything and followed him. [Follow Jesus/Follow God]
“Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean.”
Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. “I am willing, be clean!” And immediately the leprosy left him.
Then Jesus ordered him, “Don’t tell anyone, but go, show yourself to the priest and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for your cleansing, as a testimony to them.” [healing usually involved those marginalized and poor]
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more healing...
When Jesus saw their faith, he said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven.
The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, “Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
Jesus knew what they were thinking and asked, “Why are you thinking these things in your hearts? Which is easier: to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk’? But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins. [to the man, he said...] I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.
[healing usually involved those marginalized and poor]


After this, Jesus went out and saw a tax collector by the name of Levi sitting at his tax booth. “Follow me,” Jesus said to him, and Levi got up, left everything and followed him. [A call to a rich man to abandon his wealth and join Jesus' way/follow him, which included simple living/abandoning wealth]
...
the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?
Jesus answered them, It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. [Realm of God, healing usually involved those marginalized and poor]
They said to him, “John’s disciples often fast and pray, and so do the disciples of the Pharisees, but yours go on eating and drinking.”
Jesus answered, “Can you make the friends of the bridegroom fast while he is with them? But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; in those days they will fast.”
He told them this parable: “No one tears a piece out of a new garment to patch an old one. Otherwise, they will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old. And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the new wine will burst the skins; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins. And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for they say, ‘The old is better.’


LUKE 6

[Jesus and disciples “harvesting” on the Sabbath...] the Pharisees asked, “Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”
Jesus answered them, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.

The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.
” [touching on Jubilee themes, here, good news for the poor, as well as dealing with Pharisaical rule-following matters, which is repeatedly in contrast to Jesus' way of grace and justice, especially/specifically for the poor and marginalized]

On another Sabbath he went into the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was shriveled. The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath. But Jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand,
Get up and stand in front of everyone.” So he got up and stood there.
Then Jesus said to them, “I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?
He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He did so, and his hand was completely restored. [healing usually involved those marginalized and poor, also addressing pharisaical rule following matters]


[Sermon on the Plain]

Looking at his disciples, he said:
Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.
Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied.
Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh
.
Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you
and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.

Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.
But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.
Woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep.
Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you,
for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets
. [directly appealing to the notion that Jesus' way was a way specifically for the poor and marginalized, one that is not easily attainable by the rich and powerful]
But to you who are listening I say:
Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
 
[Jesus' way of grace, also dealing with Direct Action ways to address oppression, which the poor and marginalized experienced]
If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” [Repentance, grace]

He also told them this parable:
Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. [Dealing with Pharisaical rule following concerns]
No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.[Dealing with Pharisaical rule following concerns]

LUKE 7

Centurion's servant healing...
When Jesus heard this, he was amazed at him, and turning to the crowd following him, he said, “I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel.

As he approached the town gate, a dead person was being carried out—the only son of his mother, and she was a widow. And a large crowd from the town was with her. When the Lord saw her, his heart went out to her and he said, “Don’t cry.
Then he went up and touched the bier they were carrying him on, and the bearers stood still. He said, “Young man, I say to you, get up!” The dead man sat up and began to talk, and Jesus gave him back to his mother.

At that very time Jesus cured many who had diseases, sicknesses and evil spirits, and gave sight to many who were blind. So he replied to the messengers, “Go back and report to John what you have seen and heard: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor. Blessed is anyone who does not stumble on account of me. [healing usually involved those marginalized and poor, pointing out directly that Jesus' way/Gospel was directly linked with the poor and marginalized]

After John’s messengers left, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John:

What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed swayed by the wind? If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear expensive clothes and indulge in luxury are in palaces. But what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. This is the one about whom it is written:
“‘I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.’
I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.[Simple living/contrasting Jesus' gospel/way that associates with the poor and marginalized vs the world's or the Pharisee's way]

But the Pharisees and the experts in the law rejected God’s purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.)
Jesus went on to say,
To what, then, can I compare the people of this generation? What are they like? They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling out to each other:
“‘We played the pipe for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not cry.’
For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by all her children.[Simple living/contrasting Jesus' gospel/way that associates with the poor and marginalized vs the world's or the Pharisee's way]

When one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, he went to the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. A woman in that town who lived a sinful life learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house, so she came there...
When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner.”
Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to tell you.
“Tell me, teacher,” he said.
Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?” [pointing out directly that Jesus' way/Gospel was directly linked with the poor and marginalized]
Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt forgiven.”
“You have judged correctly,” Jesus said.
Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little.
Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.
The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”
Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.[Simple living/contrasting Jesus' gospel/way that associates with the poor and marginalized vs the world's or the Pharisee's way]

LUKE 8

While a large crowd was gathering and people were coming to Jesus from town after town, he told this parable:
A farmer went out to sow his seed. As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path; it was trampled on, and the birds ate it up. Some fell on rocky ground, and when it came up, the plants withered because they had no moisture. Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up with it and choked the plants. Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up and yielded a crop, a hundred times more than was sown.”
Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.
His disciples asked him what this parable meant. He said,
The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that,
“‘though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.’
This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.
No one lights a lamp and hides it in a clay jar or puts it under a bed. Instead, they put it on a stand, so that those who come in can see the light. For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open. Therefore consider carefully how you listen. Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what they think they have will be taken from them.
Now Jesus’ mother and brothers came to see him, but they were not able to get near him because of the crowd. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to see you.”
He replied, “My mother and brothers are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice.
One day Jesus said to his disciples, “Let us go over to the other side of the lake.
He got up and rebuked the wind and the raging waters; the storm subsided, and all was calm. “Where is your faith?
Many times it had seized him, and though he was chained hand and foot and kept under guard, he had broken his chains and had been driven by the demon into solitary places.
Jesus asked him, “What is your name?
“Legion,” he replied, because many demons had gone into him. [Jesus heals him]
The man from whom the demons had gone out begged to go with him, but Jesus sent him away, saying, “Return home and tell how much God has done for you.[healing usually involved those marginalized and poor]
She came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak, and immediately her bleeding stopped.
Who touched me?” Jesus asked.
When they all denied it, Peter said, “Master, the people are crowding and pressing against you.”
But Jesus said, “Someone touched me; I know that power has gone out from me.
Then the woman, seeing that she could not go unnoticed, came trembling and fell at his feet. In the presence of all the people, she told why she had touched him and how she had been instantly healed. Then he said to her, “Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace.[healing usually involved those marginalized and poor]
While Jesus was still speaking, someone came from the house of Jairus, the synagogue leader. “Your daughter is dead,” he said. “Don’t bother the teacher anymore.”
Hearing this, Jesus said to Jairus, “Don’t be afraid; just believe, and she will be healed.
When he arrived at the house of Jairus, he did not let anyone go in with him except Peter, John and James, and the child’s father and mother. Meanwhile, all the people were wailing and mourning for her. “Stop wailing, She is not dead but asleep.
They laughed at him, knowing that she was dead. But he took her by the hand and said, “My child, get up![healing usually involved those marginalized and poor]

LUKE 9

When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, and he sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. He told them:
Take nothing for the journey—no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no extra shirt. Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that town. If people do not welcome you, leave their town and shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.[Simple living, Jesus' way is a way of NOT relying upon money, but upon grace]
So they set out and went from village to village, proclaiming the good news and healing people everywhere.
ate in the afternoon the Twelve came to him and said, “Send the crowd away so they can go to the surrounding villages and countryside and find food and lodging, because we are in a remote place here.”
He replied, “You give them something to eat.[providing food for the hungry]
They answered, “We have only five loaves of bread and two fish—unless we go and buy food for all this crowd.” (About five thousand men were there.)
But he said to his disciples,
“Have them sit down in groups of about fifty each.
The disciples did so, and everyone sat down. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke them. Then he gave them to the disciples to distribute to the people. They all ate and were satisfied...

Once when Jesus was praying in private and his disciples were with him, he asked them,
“Who do the crowds say I am?
They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, that one of the prophets of long ago has come back to life.”
But what about you? Who do you say I am?
Peter answered, “God’s Messiah.”
Jesus strictly warned them not to tell this to anyone. And he said,
The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
Then he said to them all:
Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self? [Simple living, reliance upon God, not wealth] Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.
A man in the crowd called out, “Teacher, I beg you to look at my son, for he is my only child. A spirit seizes him and he suddenly screams; it throws him into convulsions so that he foams at the mouth... I begged your disciples to drive it out, but they could not.”
You unbelieving and perverse generation, how long shall I stay with you and put up with you? Bring your son here.[healing usually involved those marginalized and poor]
Even while the boy was coming, the demon threw him to the ground in a convulsion. But Jesus rebuked the impure spirit, healed the boy...
While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, “Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men.” But they did not understand what this meant.

An argument started among the disciples as to which of them would be the greatest. Jesus, knowing their thoughts, took a little child and had him stand beside him. Then he said to them,
Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. For it is the one who is least among you all who is the greatest.[healing usually involved those marginalized and poor, contrasting Jesus' Gospel/Way of simplicity and grace and siding with the marginalized with the World's/Pharisee's way of power and wealth]
“Master,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.”
Do not stop him, for whoever is not against you is for you.

As they were walking along the road, a man said to him, “I will follow you wherever you go.”
Jesus replied,
Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.[Simple living, Jesus' way/Gospel is tied to/united with the poor]
He said to another man, “Follow me.
But he replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”
Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”
Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say goodbye to my family.”
Jesus replied, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.

LUKE 10

After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go. He told them,
The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field. Go! I am sending you out like lambs among wolves. Do not take a purse or bag or sandals; and do not greet anyone on the road.
When you enter a house, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ If someone who promotes peace is there, your peace will rest on them; if not, it will return to you. Stay there, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house.
When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is offered to you. Heal the sick who are there and tell them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, ‘Even the dust of your town we wipe from our feet as a warning to you. [Simple living, Jesus' way/Gospel is tied to/united with the poor]
Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God has come near.’ I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.
Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes. But it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon at the judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades.
Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.
The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”
He replied,
I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.
At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said,
I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
Then he turned to his disciples and said privately,
Blessed are the eyes that see what you see. For I tell you that many prophets and kings wanted to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
What is written in the Law? How do you read it?
He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
You have answered correctly, do this and you will live.
But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”
In reply Jesus said:
A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?
The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”
Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.[Jesus' way/Gospel is directly tied to/united with the poor]
[Mary and Martha]
But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, “Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!”
Martha, Martha, you are worried and upset about many things, but few things are needed—or indeed only one. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.[Simple living]



LUKE 11

one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples.”
He said to them,
When you pray, say:
“‘Father,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come.
Give us each day our daily bread.
Forgive us our sins/debts, for we also forgive everyone who sins/is indebted against us.

And lead us not into temptation.’”

Then Jesus said to them, “Suppose you have a friend, and you go to him at midnight and say, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves of bread; a friend of mine on a journey has come to me, and I have no food to offer him.’ And suppose the one inside answers, ‘Don’t bother me. The door is already locked, and my children and I are in bed. I can’t get up and give you anything.’ I tell you, even though he will not get up and give you the bread because of friendship, yet because of your shameless audacity he will surely get up and give you as much as you need. [Simple living, Jesus' way/Gospel is tied to/united with the poor]
So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him![Simple living, reliance upon God, not wealth and power]
Jesus was driving out a demon that was mute. When the demon left, the man who had been mute spoke, and the crowd was amazed. But some of them said, “By Beelzebul, the prince of demons, he is driving out demons.” Others tested him by asking for a sign from heaven.
Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them:
Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall. If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? I say this because you claim that I drive out demons by Beelzebul. Now if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your followers drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up his plunder.
Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first.[Dealing with the hypocrisy/”wrong way” of the Pharisees and their attacks upon him]



As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.”
He replied,
Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.
As the crowds increased, Jesus said,

This is a wicked generation. It asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. For as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites, so also will the Son of Man be to this generation. The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with the people of this generation and condemn them, for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon’s wisdom; and now something greater than Solomon is here. The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and now something greater than Jonah is here.
No one lights a lamp and puts it in a place where it will be hidden, or under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, so that those who come in may see the light. Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eyes are healthy, your whole body also is full of light. But when they are unhealthy, your body also is full of darkness. See to it, then, that the light within you is not darkness. Therefore, if your whole body is full of light, and no part of it dark, it will be just as full of light as when a lamp shines its light on you.[Dealing with the hypocrisy/”wrong way” of the Pharisees and their attacks upon him]
When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited him to eat with him; so he went in and reclined at the table. But the Pharisee was surprised when he noticed that Jesus did not first wash before the meal.
Then the Lord said to him,
Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.
Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.
Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the marketplaces. [Dealing with Jesus' way/Gospel being directly tied to justice for the poor and marginalized, Dealing with the hypocrisy/”wrong way” of the Pharisees and their attacks upon him]
Woe to you, because you are like unmarked graves, which people walk over without knowing it.[Dealing with the hypocrisy/”wrong way” of the Pharisees and their attacks upon him]
One of the experts in the law answered him, “Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us also.”
Jesus replied,
And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them. [Dealing with Jesus' way/Gospel being directly tied to justice for the poor and marginalized, Dealing with the hypocrisy/”wrong way” of the Pharisees and their attacks upon him]
Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets, and it was your ancestors who killed them. So you testify that you approve of what your ancestors did; they killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. Because of this, God in his wisdom said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.’ Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.
Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.” [Dealing with the hypocrisy/”wrong way” of the Pharisees and their attacks upon him]
When Jesus went outside, the Pharisees and the teachers of the law began to oppose him fiercely and to besiege him with questions, waiting to catch him in something he might say.

LUKE 12

Meanwhile, when a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling on one another, Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying:
Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the roofs.
I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. [Dealing with the hypocrisy/”wrong way” of the Pharisees and their attacks upon him]
Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. [Simple living, Jesus' way/Gospel is directly tied to the poor and marginalized]
I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God. And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
When you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.[Dealing with the hypocrisy/”wrong way” of the Pharisees and their attacks upon him]
Someone in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.”
Jesus replied,
Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you? Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.[Direct warning about the dangers of wealth]
And he told them this parable:
The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’
Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.”’
But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’
This is how it will be with whoever stores up things for themselves but is not rich toward God.[Direct warning about the dangers of wealth]
Then Jesus said to his disciples:
Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. For life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to your life? Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?
Consider how the wild flowers grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you—you of little faith! And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.
Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. [Simple living, Reliance upon God, Directly tying Jesus' way/gospel to the poor and marginalized]
Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, like servants waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. Truly I tell you, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the middle of the night or toward daybreak. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
Peter asked, “Lord, are you telling this parable to us, or to everyone?”
The Lord answered,
Who then is the faithful and wise manager, whom the master puts in charge of his servants to give them their food allowance at the proper time? It will be good for that servant whom the master finds doing so when he returns. Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the other servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers. [Tying Jesus' way/Gospel to treatment of the poor and marginalized, using wealth wisely, Reliance upon God and God's ways]
The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
He said to the crowd: “When you see a cloud rising in the west, immediately you say, ‘It’s going to rain,’ and it does. And when the south wind blows, you say, ‘It’s going to be hot,’ and it is. Hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky. How is it that you don’t know how to interpret this present time?
Why don’t you judge for yourselves what is right? As you are going with your adversary to the magistrate, try hard to be reconciled on the way, or your adversary may drag you off to the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison. I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.[Reliance upon God, not wealth, which is fleeting/not trustworthy... do the right thing]

LUKE 13

Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. Jesus answered,
Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
Then he told this parable:
A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’
“‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’
On a Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues, and a woman was there who had been crippled by a spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not straighten up at all. When Jesus saw her, he called her forward and said to her,
Woman, you are set free from your infirmity.” Then he put his hands on her, and immediately she straightened up and praised God. [healing usually involved those marginalized and poor]
Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue leader said to the people, “There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath.”
The Lord answered him,
You hypocrites! Doesn’t each of you on the Sabbath untie your ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water? Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?[healing usually involved those marginalized and poor]
When he said this, all his opponents were humiliated, but the people were delighted with all the wonderful things he was doing. [helping the marginalized and poor, confronting the rule-following graceless ways of the Pharisees/powerful]
Then Jesus asked,
What is the kingdom of God like? What shall I compare it to? It is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his garden. It grew and became a tree, and the birds perched in its branches.”
What shall I compare the kingdom of God to? It is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into about sixty pounds of flour until it worked all through the dough.
Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem. Someone asked him, “Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?”
He said to them,
Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’
But he will answer, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’
Then you will say, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’
But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’
There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last.
At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.”
He replied,
Go tell that fox, ‘I will keep on driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach my goal.’ In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’



LUKE 14

One Sabbath, when Jesus went to eat in the house of a prominent Pharisee, he was being carefully watched. There in front of him was a man suffering from abnormal swelling of his body. Jesus asked the Pharisees and experts in the law,
Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath or not?[healing usually involved those marginalized and poor]
But they remained silent. So taking hold of the man, he healed him and sent him on his way.
Then he asked them,
If one of you has a child or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull it out?[healing usually involved those marginalized and poor]
And they had nothing to say.
When he noticed how the guests picked the places of honor at the table, he told them this parable:
When someone invites you to a wedding feast, do not take the place of honor, for a person more distinguished than you may have been invited. If so, the host who invited both of you will come and say to you, ‘Give this person your seat.’ Then, humiliated, you will have to take the least important place. But when you are invited, take the lowest place, so that when your host comes, he will say to you, ‘Friend, move up to a better place.’ Then you will be honored in the presence of all the other guests. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. [Simple living, contrasting God's way of simplicity and association with the poor and marginalized with the World's/Pharisee's way of power and wealth]
Then Jesus said to his host,
When you give a luncheon or dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or sisters, your relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.[Jesus regularly was involved with the marginalized and poor, directly tying his way to working with/siding with the poor and marginalized]
When one of those at the table with him heard this, he said to Jesus, “Blessed is the one who will eat at the feast in the kingdom of God.”
Jesus replied:
A certain man was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. At the time of the banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, ‘Come, for everything is now ready.’
But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, ‘I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.’
Another said, ‘I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I’m on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.’
Still another said, ‘I just got married, so I can’t come.’
The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, ‘Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame.’
“‘Sir,’ the servant said, ‘what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.’
Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full. I tell you, not one of those who were invited will get a taste of my banquet.’[Jesus regularly was involved with the marginalized and poor, directly tying his Way to working with/siding with the poor and marginalized]
Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said:
If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple. And whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.
Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it? For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, saying, ‘This person began to build and wasn’t able to finish.[Counting the costs of what we do]
Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Won’t he first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples. [Simplicity, Jesus' way of “giving up all” to follow him]
Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out.
Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.

LUKE 15

Now the tax collectors and sinners were all gathering around to hear Jesus. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.”
Then Jesus told them this parable:
Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent. [Repentance]
Or suppose a woman has ten silver coins and loses one. Doesn’t she light a lamp, sweep the house and search carefully until she finds it? And when she finds it, she calls her friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost coin.’ In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” [Repentance]
Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.
Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.
When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ So he got up and went to his father.
But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.
The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.
Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’
The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’
“‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’[Repentance of leaving “the father” to squander one's wealth on selfish living (as contrasted with giving to help/side with the poor and marginalized), the older son was jealous/angry for the wrong, selfish reasons]

LUKE 16

Jesus told his disciples:
There was a rich man whose manager was accused of wasting his possessions. So he called him in and asked him, ‘What is this I hear about you? Give an account of your management, because you cannot be manager any longer.
The manager said to himself, ‘What shall I do now? My master is taking away my job. I’m not strong enough to dig, and I’m ashamed to beg— I know what I’ll do so that, when I lose my job here, people will welcome me into their houses.’
So he called in each one of his master’s debtors. He asked the first, ‘How much do you owe my master?’
“‘Nine hundred gallons of olive oil,’ he replied.
The manager told him, ‘Take your bill, sit down quickly, and make it four hundred and fifty.’
Then he asked the second, ‘And how much do you owe?’
“‘A thousand bushels of wheat,’ he replied.
He told him, ‘Take your bill and make it eight hundred.’
The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light. I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.
Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much. So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? And if you have not been trustworthy with someone else’s property, who will give you property of your own?
No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.[Simplicity, Jesus' way is NOT the way of Money, but of serving God]
The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus. He said to them,
You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.
The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it. It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law. [Dealing with the Pharisees, in this case directly tied to their love of money and rule following, over and against Jesus' way of grace and siding with the poor and marginalized]
Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery. [Issues of divorce were often directly tied to the woman and HER resulting poverty, it was a justice for the poor and marginalized concern]
There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
“‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’[Contrasting Jesus' way, which sided with the poor and marginalized – Lazarus, here, and the World's/Pharisee's way, which was for the wealthy and powerful – notice the presumption of entitlement in the rich man's words – his cluelessness]



LUKE 17

Jesus said to his disciples:
Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. So watch yourselves.
If your brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them; and if they repent, forgive them. Even if they sin against you seven times in a day and seven times come back to you saying ‘I repent,’ you must forgive them.[Humility, Repentance]
The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!”
He replied,
If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it will obey you.
Suppose one of you has a servant plowing or looking after the sheep. Will he say to the servant when he comes in from the field, ‘Come along now and sit down to eat’? Won’t he rather say, ‘Prepare my supper, get yourself ready and wait on me while I eat and drink; after that you may eat and drink’? Will he thank the servant because he did what he was told to do? So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’[Have faith, do right?]

As he was going into a village, ten men who had leprosy met him. They stood at a distance and called out in a loud voice, “Jesus, Master, have pity on us!”
When he saw them, he said,
Go, show yourselves to the priests.” And as they went, they were cleansed.
One of them, when he saw he was healed, came back, praising God in a loud voice. He threw himself at Jesus’ feet and thanked him—and he was a Samaritan. [one of the hated, marginalized “others”]
Jesus asked, “Were not all ten cleansed? Where are the other nine? Has no one returned to give praise to God except this foreigner?” Then he said to him, “Rise and go; your faith has made you well.
Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied,
The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.[Reminder that Jesus told John the Baptist that he'd recognize that Jesus was legitimate because of how he worked with the poor and marginalized, those in their midst...]
Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.
It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. Remember Lot’s wife! Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. [Repentance, Simplicity, contrasting Jesus' way of grace and siding with the poor and marginalized with the World's/Pharisee's way of reliance upon wealth and power]
I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.[Repentance]
“Where, Lord?” they asked.
He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.[Repentance]



LUKE 18

Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. He said:
In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared what people thought. And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, ‘Grant me justice against my adversary.’
For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, ‘Even though I don’t fear God or care what people think, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually come and attack me!’”
And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says. And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?[A model for direct action against the powerful to help the oppressed, poor and marginalized, Justice for the poor and marginalized]
To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable:
Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.[Jesus' Way is not the way of the rich and powerful, but one accessible to the poor and marginalized and “sinners”]
People were also bringing babies to Jesus for him to place his hands on them. When the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. But Jesus called the children to him and said,
Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.[God's way is one of grace and justice for the poor and marginalized, as represented by the Child]
A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
Why do you call me good? No one is good—except God alone. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’
“All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.
When Jesus heard this, he said to him,
You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.[Repentance, which means abandoning a trust/reliance upon wealth, but instead, following in Jesus' ragtag community of the poor and marginalized]
When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy. Jesus looked at him and said,
How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.[Repentance is difficult for the wealthy]
Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”
Jesus replied, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”
Peter said to him, “We have left all we had to follow you!”
Truly I tell you, no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.[God's way is one of simplicity and abandoning wealth and following his ragtag community of the poor and marginalized]
Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them,
We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. He will be delivered over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him and spit on him; they will flog him and kill him. On the third day he will rise again.

When he came near, Jesus asked him,
What do you want me to do for you?
“Lord, I want to see,” he replied.
Jesus said to him,
Receive your sight; your faith has healed you.



LUKE 19

When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him,
Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today.[Repentance call to a wealthy man]
So he came down at once and welcomed him gladly.
All the people saw this and began to mutter, “He has gone to be the guest of a sinner.”
But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.
Jesus said to him,
Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.[Repentance call to the wealthy man, who then, set things right with the poor and marginalized, which Jesus tied to his salvation]
While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. He said:
A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’
But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’
He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.
The first one came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned ten more.’
“‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’
The second came and said, ‘Sir, your mina has earned five more.’
His master answered, ‘You take charge of five cities.’
Then another servant came and said, ‘Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.’
His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? Why then didn’t you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?’
Then he said to those standing by, ‘Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.’
“‘Sir,’ they said, ‘he already has ten!’
He replied, ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what they have will be taken away. But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’[Dealing with wealth, nominally, and the rather ugly notion that for those who have much, much is given and those with little, even the little they have will be taken away... but I don't think that's the teaching to pull from this, that this is a GOOD thing]

As he approached Bethphage and Bethany at the hill called the Mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples, saying to them,
Go to the village ahead of you, and as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. If anyone asks you, ‘Why are you untying it?’ say, ‘The Lord needs it.’[Simplicity, Jesus' way is different than the wealthy and powerful, a model of direct action against the wealthy and powerful]

[Triumphal Entry...]


Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples!” [Because of the Triumphal Entry and the praise of Jesus by the people – and WHY was he popular with the people..?]
I tell you, if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.
As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said,
If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.
When Jesus entered the temple courts, he began to drive out those who were selling.

It is written, 'My house will be a house of prayer’; but you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’[Jesus' attack on the moneychangers, we see in other versions of the story, is directly tied to their mistreatment specifically of the poor and marginalized (as well as the cheating, in general, but the concern is there first and foremost because it harmed the poor)]

61 comments:

Marshal Art said...

I have counted, and Jesus mentions "justice" ZERO times, and He mentions "grace" ZERO times. Hmm.

Dan Trabue said...

Of course, Jesus does talk about Justice in a number of ways. And he also uses the word just and justice but you are right they does not speak about Grace using that word. Clearly he does speak of Grace, though. Does it concern you, Marshall, that have all the times that Jesus spoke about preaching the gospel, that he never Associated that with an atonement Theory... not using those words, nor any ideas to suggest that concept? Why do you think that is, how do you explain that?

Craig said...

I like how you left out the rest of the “Man shall not live by bread alone.” Statement. Which changes the meaning. But you probably know that.

I also wonder if your preference of the word “realm” in place of Kingdom, accurately reflects the actual text as originally written. If you feel free to change the words to suit your whims, it calls into question your entire project. The other methodological question is what translation did you use, and did you use the same translation throughout, or did you use multiple translations?

Craig said...

Why do you presume that the “It’s not the healthy that need a Dr.”, is explicitly and exclusively dealing with physical health? Have you actually done research on this, or just decided that your version is correct?

Dan Trabue said...

Luke 4, the entire quote...

4 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 
2 where for forty days He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.

3 The devil said to him, “If you are the Son of God,"tell this stone to become bread.”

4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone.’"

5 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world..."

Dan Trabue said...

Source...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/%3fsearch=Luke%25204&version=NIV&interface=amp

Dan Trabue said...

Craig... "Have you actually done research on this, or just decided that your version is correct?"

You'll note that I said this is a work in progress, that I'm just thinking these things through. I'm saying, this makes sense to me, here. At least initially.

You'll also note that I explained why including references to the ill and disabled are connected with poverty, because, often times back then. To be ill, was to be impoverished. If you look, you'll notice that when I reference the Centurion and his child being sick that I did not mark that as green since the Centurion presumably had some wealth, or at least wasn't poor.

Dan Trabue said...

Craig... "I also wonder if your preference of the word “realm” in place of Kingdom, accurately reflects the actual text as originally written. If you feel free to change the words to suit your whims, it calls into question your entire project."

sigh.

Realm is just another word for Kingdom that removes the word "king" from the word. The definition of Realm is, "A Kingdom..."

The point is not that there is a human Male King ruling over an area of land. The point in these texts is talking about a Way. God's Way. The Realm of God is that community in which God's Ways are followed, and that Way includes at a very primary level, taking care of/siding with the poor and marginalized.

This is not a weird reading of the term. it is one that simply seeks to focus on the important idea being conveyed (the Place of God's Way), rather than confusing it with patriarchal notions of a human king ruling over a people.

Dan Trabue said...

Craig... "Why do you presume that the “It’s not the healthy that need a Dr.”, is explicitly and exclusively dealing with physical health?"

You'll note that I did not count that quote as "green" or dealing directly (or indirectly) with money, but as Gold, dealing with the Realm of God. I further noted that illness=poverty was a general truth that could be recognized when we're dealing with healing stories in the Gospels.

Do you disagree and think that those healed in the Gospels generally were probably NOT poor, but were people of means? Why would you make that guess?

Dan Trabue said...

Realm definition and etymology...

https://www.etymonline.com/word/realm

Dan Trabue said...

Craig...

"I like how you left out the rest of the “Man shall not live by bread alone.” Statement. Which changes the meaning. But you probably know that."

For anyone else reading this, Craig is referencing the line, "Humans don't live by bread alone, but by every word from the mouth of God."

That is how Matthew 4 reads. That's how Luke 4 reads in the King James, but only in the King James.

Other translations do not include that line in Luke, because, the translators say, the oldest and most reliable texts do not include the line.

That's the background.

Craig, to you I would say, I don't think that changes the point at all. Humans should not live by bread alone but by every word from God's mouth. That suggests to me a simple living and trust in God kind of life, which is consistent with the way of Grace that I'm speaking about here. I don't see how it changes anything.

Craig, are you a King James only kind of guy?

Craig said...

I agree that there were poor people healed in the gospels, although certainly not all were poor. The problem I have is your inference that the “Those who need a Dr.” quote I’d exclusively and entirely as direct, specific reference to only physical healing.

If you’re arguing that “realm” and “Kingdom” are synonyms, why make the distinction.

Clearly no rational person would demand that the “Kingdom of God” is in any ruled over by a “make human being”. The very term, excludes that possibility.

FYI, in the human realm, kingdoms are sometimes ruled by queens.

It seems as if you are making the distinction without a difference in order to remove God from His position of rule over His realm.

No, I’m not KJVO, it’s more that imputing a physical bread to that passage seems nonsensical in the context?

Of course, the question that comes to mind is are you suggesting that an actual physical Jesus was having an actual conversation with an actual Satan, and that they “magically” moved from location to location.

I realize that you’re calling this a “work in progress”, my question is are you going to test your hunches against people with more education and experience in this type or thing, or are you just going to pass it off as your opinion?

Also, did you use colored beans to vote?

One last thought. According to your color code, the “Man does not live by bread alone...” statement is coded as being “directly about wealth and poverty”, yet there’s no context at all to make such a dogmatic claim.

Good lord there’s a lot to sift through.

Dan Trabue said...

Craig... "If you’re arguing that “realm” and “Kingdom” are synonyms, why make the distinction.?"

As I said pretty clearly, to remove the patriarchy from it. Too often the Bible is been used to suggest God supports patriarchy. I think given the context of Jesus words, that is clearly a bad take.

Dan Trabue said...

Craig... "my question is are you going to test your hunches against people with more education and experience in this type or thing, or are you just going to pass it off as your opinion?"

Well, I imagine you're aware, but if not... There are many scholars who I've learned from on all these points. Ched Myers, anabaptist Scholars, and others.

For instance, I am not unique in noting that commonly in that world, the people who are described as coming to Jesus with illnesses, for instance the Widow with an issue of blood, would have been marginalized, cast out as impure, and poor. If you have data to suggest otherwise, I will entertain that. But I am aware of other Scholars who have pointed this out. I'm not making it up.

In other instances, I am just embracing a common sense and fairly literal read on a text. For instance, in the story about the temptation of Jesus, supposedly Satan is offering Jesus literal bread to take care of his little hunger. In that context, Jesus replies with a sort of simple living and dependency upon God response. We don't live by bread alone. Now, that I don't take that as a literal Pitchfork carrying devil does not mean that the point of offering him bread is not literal, in the context of the story. It's just another reminder of Jesus many reminders that we are not to rely upon wealth but on the community of God and on God. That is the point of the text, fairly literally, it seems to me.

Dan Trabue said...

Craig...

"The problem I have is your inference that the “Those who need a Dr.” quote I’d exclusively and entirely as direct, specific reference to only physical healing."

Allow me to clarify, then. My point is NOT that healing is specifically exclusively directed towards physical feeling. My point in all this is that Jesus's teaching about a Way of Grace, and that Grace is seen in how we treat the poor and marginalized. It's part and parcel that way of Grace.

The point is not the physical healing. The point is not just siding with the poor. The point is a way of Grace. That way of Grace is closely connected with how we treat the least of these. We can see that in Jesus parable of the sheep and the goats. Or story of the sheep and the goats, if you prefer.

Dan Trabue said...

My first paragraph above should have read only physical healing.

Dan Trabue said...

Here's a fairly traditional sounding Bible teacher who points out how very full the Bible is with references to watching out for widows. He asks the reasonable question, why is that?

It's because they were often at risk of being poor and marginalized and taken advantage of which was contrary to God's way of Grace. What this man says about widows is true as well about the ill in Jesus day.

https://www.crossway.org/articles/why-does-the-bible-say-so-much-about-widows/

Craig said...

Gotcha, you’re going to stick with your distinction without a difference to make a point that might actually skew your thinking about how you approach the text. You’re not going to compare your work in progress to anyone but one or two folx who share your preconceived notions. That’s a very open minded way to approach this daunting task.

At some point will you actually be defining this “way if Grace”? It seems a very flexible notion.

Your take on the temptation of Jesus is interesting, if a bit out of context. Again, are you suggesting a literal conversation with a literal Saran, involving literal changes in location by unexplained means?

Craig said...

In your paraphrase, you quite clearly start the “bread alone” comment with “It is written...”.

Which raises the question, where is “it written” and why did Jesus appeal to the “written”?

If one then considers the entire context including what Jesus is referencing, the part you’ve included comes back in.

That also raises the questions. If this temptation was simply about giving Jesus physical food, why did Jesus not just say “I’m not hungry.”? Under what circumstances is giving a hungry person food a temptation?

I’m curious how you plan to deal with Jesus many references to scripture and how you’ll put that into your arbitrary categories.

Craig said...

Maybe your mistake here was putting a rough draft out in public without some more research and thought.

Dan Trabue said...

I don't think so. I don't know what it is you're talking about, actually. Perhaps you're just not understanding and, in your confusion, are finding some fault that doesn't exist in the actual text. After all, it is mostly just Jesus words.

Dan Trabue said...

For instance, let's just take the "humans should not live by bread alone," text. I'm saying that the teaching there is that we should place our trust in God and not wealth. The point is Simplicity, and relying upon God and not wealth. Do you think that's NOT the point of that particular part of the text?

Dan Trabue said...

I would rather say that the whole story about the temptation is about relying upon God and not wealth or power. This is Central to the teaching of Grace as found throughout Jesus teachings. Do you disagree?

Craig said...

What I think about the point isn't really the issue. I'm not making the categorical claim that the out of context line is "...directly about wealth and/or poverty...". The issue is whether your claim agrees with the intent of the speaker and with the intent of the writer. So, perhaps that should be your goal.

Of course, that what you "would rather say". But what you "world rather" isn't actually the issue here. There are a lot of things that I "would rather" Jesus had said, but my desires aren't really the issue.

If you are going to make categorical claims about the words of Jesus, it only seems reasonable to expect more evidence that "I would rather".

My agreement or disagreement with your opinions isn't the point here. I think you know that.

Dan Trabue said...

The thing is, Craig, I CAN NOT SPEAK AUTHORITATIVELY for either Jesus or Luke. I can tell you what seems obvious to me. Likewise, YOU can not speak authoritatively for Jesus or Luke. You can offer your opinion about the text, if you'd like to engage. If you just want to snipe, you can do that elsewhere.

I think it is rather obvious that this passage is rightly characterized (at least in part) as an encouragement to seek God's Ways and simplicity and grace-full living, rather than wealth and the trappings of wealth and power. Do you think, in your opinion, that this is a mis-characterization of the passage?

If you don't want to engage on the topic, feel free to take your sniping elsewhere.

And, since you didn't understand the context of my words, "I would rather" was speaking poetically, as in "I rather find that odd, don't you?" NOT speaking of "This is what I want to do, so it's what I will do..." Or perhaps it was a typo, I don't really remember dictating it that way, although, it is rather like something I might say in that more archaic sense.

So, YES, if you want to comment here about your opinions, then stating your opinion IS the point here. I would rather hope you would know that.

Dan Trabue said...

So, you earlier asked about what I mean by the Way of Grace. That is a fair question and one that I want to answer to try to prevent you from misunderstanding what I mean (which is likely to happen, unfortunately).

1. By "way of Grace," I do NOT mean "the way to God's salvation" as is understood by many modern evangelical conservatives. I do not mean that God's "grace" means the "good news" that humanity is utterly evil, even from infancy, and thus, bound for an eternity of torture because we are SO EVIL that "god" can't bear to have us in that god's presence... and so, the "good news" is that there is a way out of this eternal torture - FOR SOME OF US (since many/most modern conservative evangelicals believe that "god" "elects" only some people to receive salvation and unless that "god" "elected" us, we can't be saved no matter if we want to... we can't even want to be saved!... and so, the "good news" (for "the elect") is that this god who is fiercely angry at all of humanity because of the utter depravity of our sin - even from infancy - CAN be appeased, by a "blood offering" from a "perfectly perfect and pure vessel..." and that Jesus IS that vessel, and that by Jesus being killed on a cross and his blood shed, THAT "blood" can literally (symbolically-literally) "purchase" our salvation and by literally-symbolically "covering us" with Jesus' blood, our sins can be "washed away" and thus, the "angry god" can be appeased and our salvation "purchased" by this perfect Jesus blood, shed for filthy sinners.

I do not mean THAT "way of salvation/grace..." as I don't see any grace in that. It's a business transaction meant to pay off an irrationally angry god. A blood sacrifice more in akin to ancient harsh religions than any God of Grace and Love and Justice. Not that.

2. By way of grace, neither do I mean that salvation is all about being kind to poor people or giving away our money... a works-based salvation that says, "If you're good enough (some vague and undefined "good" and "enough"), you might be saved - or will be saved..." I don't mean that cheap grace, either.

cont'd...

Dan Trabue said...

3. By way of grace, I mean that Jesus came in pretty direct opposition to the rich and powerful, the religious rule-makers and legalists who advocated a holiness/purity code and if you weren't pure enough, you were on the outside, unpleasing to an angry god who is sickened by filth and ugly sin... AND for whom (these legalists, rich and powerful), it was always the poor, the marginalized, the widows, the orphans, the immigrants, the sick and disabled... THESE were always the impure and unwelcome.

Jesus opposed that and came offering a way of Grace where ALL were/are welcome (not an elect few, but all... not the "good" but all, including the sick... not the "pure," but all, including the ritually unclean) and encouraged to accept that way of Grace, because failing to accept it only leads to heartache and hell on earth... SO, the point is a way of grace, of love, of kindness, of simplicity... and that way was evidenced by the Outsiders, the Impure and Unclean, the poor and marginalized being invited to that welcome table, that community of followers... and by the way those followers embraced those marginalized and who were "outsiders" and "unclean." It is a way of forgiveness and repentance when we make mistakes, knowing that forgiveness is possible and desirable.

Thus, it's not a way of Rules, nor of a specific "cause" (if you help the poor, you'll be saved...), it's a way of grace and that grace will manifest it in watching out for the poor and marginalized and working for justice. So, for one group of people, that might mean working to promote a cleaner earth (because pollution and a sick earth will harm the poor and oppressed first), or working for and with homeless children, or immigrants, or the mentally ill, or veterans... or even for/with pedophiles and disgraced conservative televangelists and other outsiders considered "unclean..." because of their awful actions - but only after making sure that the harm has ended, because given the slave and the slave-owner who both need grace and forgiveness, we must first protect the oppressed in this way of Grace, because that's how it works. At least in Jesus' gospel as found in his teachings in the gospel books.

Dan Trabue said...

Craig, if you want to engage, you will need to answer questions.

Feodor said...

Craig, at his post, paying attention to Satan over Jesus, so he can think he has something on you, Dan.:

“Satan, doesn't offer Jesus bread in order to satisfy His physical hunger, Satan attempts to taunt Jesus into transforming stones into bread. Jesus is being asked to use His power over the physical realm to engage in an essentially selfish act. Let's be clear, if this was merely the offer of bread, what's the big deal? How is that temptation? But to try to taunt Jesus into an act of selfishness, that's a whole other level, or so it seems to me.”

How to unconsciously whiff on what Jesus said in preference to Satan. Jesus answered about bread. We need more than bread. Everyone, as god’s creation, deserves more than bread.

Typical of you to pay total attention to the absolute wrong thing.

This will be my only comment. It suffices to show how unbelievably shallow you are.

Dan Trabue said...

F: "Typical of you to pay total attention to the absolute wrong thing."

Yes.

Craig, here's at least the last question put to you that you can answer if you want to comment here...

I think it is rather obvious that this passage is rightly characterized (at least in part) as an encouragement to seek God's Ways and simplicity and grace-full living, rather than wealth and the trappings of wealth and power. Do you think, in your opinion, that this is a mis-characterization of the passage?

I'm not saying that people of good will can't look at it and find other reasonable points to come from it, but that this is clearly one of them. Do you disagree?

Feodor said...

Craig now claims his son, who has gotten a ministry degree (not a Biblical Studies degree) has special insight.

Two questions:
1. Can he read the New Testament as written? (In Greek.)
2. Has he studied the differing sociologies, the rhetorical and narrative strategies, the epistolary conventions of ancient Greco/Roman society?

Namely, how many hours has Craig’s son spent on the linguistic/cultural context in which the NT writers are formed and in and with which they composed?

Or did he get just a ministry degree?

Craig said...

Dan

I’ve answered that question at least twice. If your going to invoke your random delete rule, it’d help to not delete me over questions I’ve answered multiple times.

I agree that people can always find multiple meanings in any text, but if those meanings aren’t supported by the text or the context and those meanings raise questions that aren’t answered, then it seems reasonable to suspect that the meaning is being imposed on the text, rather than the other way around.

As you pointed out. You’ve only chosen to reference “scholars” who already share your point of view. Essentially using a set of interpretive lenses that conform to your previous biases. Instead of holding your opinions up to a broader range of viewpoints that might make for a more fully orbed conclusion.

Finally I’m suggesting that when you present your opinions as “reality” or as “rightly characterized”, you’ve closed the door to the type of good will that you belatedly try to claim.

Dan Trabue said...

I'm leaving your comment for now, just to illustrate that you patently did not answer the question that was asked of you. You say...

"I’ve answered that question at least twice. If your going to invoke your random delete rule, it’d help to not delete me over questions I’ve answered multiple times.

I agree that people can always find multiple meanings in any text, but if those meanings aren’t supported by the text or the context and those meanings raise questions that aren’t answered, then it seems reasonable to suspect that the meaning is being imposed on the text, rather than the other way around."


1. I did not ask you if people can find "multiple meanings in any text."

I asked you am I mischaracterizing the text to say that Jesus is teaching that we should follow God and rely upon him, not upon power and wealth? Can you answer THAT question?

2. Instead of answering it and supporting it, you give a vague implication that I'm "imposing a meaning" on the text. IS that what you're suggesting? IF so, what is your support that I'm imposing that meaning? What is your support to say that it's wrong to conclude that Jesus is teaching that we should rely/trust upon God and not wealth and power in this text?

As to this...

"As you pointed out. You’ve only chosen to reference “scholars” who already share your point of view. Essentially using a set of interpretive lenses that conform to your previous biases."

...I'll remind you that my view was conservative and it was reading the Bible that led me away from mindless conservatism and shallow reading of the Bible and that led me to finding scholars like Myers and those in the anabaptist world (people with real degrees and decades of study behind it) that contributed to my understanding. I wasn't reading these other scholars because they share my view. I read conservative writers and their poor reasoning led me AWAY from their views and to the Bible, then reading the Bible led me to these other scholars who could speak more authoritatively to what I was finding in the Bible.

So, rather than condemn these scholars (have you read any of Myers? Wallace? Anabaptist writers?) because they hurt your feelings or conflict with YOUR previous biases, maybe read what they and others say with an open mind, looking for truth, not merely to defend a conservative viewpoint.

Dan Trabue said...

I may eventually invite other people to review this page. Please keep conversations polite and on topic. Please stay away from ad hom attacks and name-calling.

Dan Trabue said...

Feodor, I don't really disagree with what you're saying, but this is not a blog about Craig or where I want to talk about him or his son. I'm open to thoughts on Jesus' words as it relates to wealth, poverty and the Way of Grace. On what Jesus meant when he went out preaching "the good news of the realm of God" or sent his disciples out to do the same. Or why he never mentioned any atonement theories when he was speaking about preaching the good news.

That's the topic. IF someone want to make an argument that "Dan, you used Green text here and I don't think it makes sense because..." and want to support that, that's fine. If someone wants to say, "You coded it Red and I think it's more fitting as green, and here's why..." that's fine.

Feodor said...

Dan, your efforts to demonstrate Jesus' continuing teaching that how we think of and treat the marginalized is integral to how we grasp the meaning of the good news for our own lives and the implications of Christ's coming altogether... is great coverage here in a blog.

That Marshal and Craig try to delegitimize it by various moves of denial, dodge, lies, diversionary proxy, etc., reveals where the anti-intellectual heritage of agrarian, radical American protestantism has led the bulk of the American populace for a few centuries. You and I ourselves are sons of such lineage. We've rejected it as we've both separately come to know Christ and to witness God's love for the whole world. For us, it is the living God's love that interprets scripture, not a book that interprets God's love.

For Marshal and Craig and people like them, it is the opposite. And so they are dead in faith. Your work will not convince.

My preference is to take a higher altitude attitude towards the narrative of Scripture. What you call "direct teachings of Jesus," I take as the gospel writers' word as setting collections of sayings in a narrative story they and the first church at the same time constructed as they interpreted with it the shaping of the meaning of a few events of the Messiah's life, his ministry among the people of occupied Palestine, and captured and expanded upon teachings.

So, to start at the beginning, Jesus was identified by the early church - the Jewish church - as the promised Messiah. Jesus is the summing up and head of the Prophets: prophet AND king like Melchizedek. As such, he carries on their role plus that of God's anointed Son. What was the role of prophets?

The prophets called Judah and Israel's kings to account for how they abandoned God and treated the people of God by favoring the rich and themselves in the courts, in commercial fraud, and in crushing custom.

God's realm, to use your words, is the very one where all people are treated right. If the poor are ignored and oppressed, it cannot be God's realm. If the poor are raised up, the widow and orphan provided for, the imprisoned treated with square justice mixed with mercy, and the foreigner welcomed, then those are signs of God's realm, God's kingdom. The poor do not define the limits of God's kingdom, but God's kingdom cannot be found where poverty is tolerated. This is why salvation in the New Testament is all mixed up with showing mercy and compassion and with reversing the plight of the oppressed, with erasing the second class citizenship of women (though not slaves yet) and with marginality that has the first claim on God's love all the way from the barn manger to exile to the cross being set between two thieves in an Asian land filled with brown people colonized by the Roman Empire so very long ago in so very different a world from our own.

That Marshal and Craig cannot read this in their own bibles is testimony to how millions of American Christians are brutal, believing only in their own white lives they trust is promised privilege in only one part of the North American continent.

As for me, I'll follow the brown man and listen to and believe and follow black and brown people - as a corporate community. As a whole, they are closer to God. God loves and desires the salvation of the oppressed and colonized. We need to recognize that we are the Roman soldier at the cross: born on the wrong side of power, able to change.

Feodor said...

I take as the gospel writers' *work...

Marshal Art said...

"Of course, Jesus does talk about Justice in a number of ways. And he also uses the word just and justice but you are right they does not speak about Grace using that word."

He also speaks of obeying God's commandments in a number of ways. Indeed, your insistence that the He spoke the words "justice" and/or "just" led to me yet another instance of this...and in a way that butts heads with your understanding of His opposition to the Pharisees. From Luke 11:42...

But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and every herb, but you bypass justice and the love of God. You ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone.

Here (and elsewhere) is a reference to the Law being obeyed. His problem with the Pharisees wasn't their insistence on the Law being obeyed. This verse is but one proof of that. It's the hypocrisy of the Pharisees that angered Him...NOT their preaching of obeying the Law of God.

"Clearly he does speak of Grace, though."

Really? Where? Which verse(s) can you cite that bears this out?

"Does it concern you, Marshall, that have all the times that Jesus spoke about preaching the gospel, that he never Associated that with an atonement Theory... not using those words, nor any ideas to suggest that concept?"

Sure He does...at LEAST once:

“You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be your slave—just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many” (Matthew 20:25-28).

What does that sound like to you? "To give His life as a ransom for many" sounds like He's substituting Himself for one deserving some penalty...a "penal substitution". It's very much why the "Lamb of God, Who takes away the sins of the world" was born.

Feodor said...

Marshal is a corrupt reader of scripture because he is a Judaizer of the first order. He loves to put behavior before compassion: the outside of the cup before the inside.. How stupid can he be to be so inept with Luke 11? Because he ignores and twists Jesus’ entire ministry. Justice and the love of god. The same thing. The first is the visible sign of the second.

Immediately following in Luke 11:

“One of the lawyers answered him, “Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us too.” And he said, “Woe also to you lawyers! For you load people with burdens hard to bear, and you yourselves do not lift a finger to ease them. Woe to you! For you build the tombs of the prophets whom your ancestors killed. So you are witnesses and approve of the deeds of your ancestors; for they killed them, and you build their tombs. Therefore also the Wisdom of God said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute,’ so that this generation may be charged with the blood of all the prophets shed since the foundation of the world, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who perished between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it will be charged against this generation. Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge; you did not enter yourselves, and you hindered those who were entering.”

As Matthew elaborates, the Pharisees “omitted the weightier matters of the law: judgment, mercy, and faith.” Marshal halfway points this out. Marshal wants to outperform the Pharisees on task completion (which provides the motivation for Marshal to make up empty burdensome tasks for people, such as never using parts of vocabulary like, say, Fuck!)

But Marshal doesn’t mention what IS weightier: justice AND LOVE; mercy; faith. Why do Marshal and Craig elide these weightier matters of obedience to Christ? What are the highest standards of keeping faith with Jesus? What does Jesus command, Marshal?

Oh. No wonder. The highest call of Jesus disqualifies Marshal and Craig’s addiction to judgment and blame. The chief commandment rules out their wish to control the poor and needy. The weightier things makes ruins of the whole structure of their temple of law and order white man’s Christianist control on god.

“If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. I have said these things to you so that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be complete. This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.”

Feodor said...

Why are conservative evangelicals so utterly incompetent in reading scripture?

In his latest response to you, Dan, Craig claims that the poor do not figure in the early church's formation or in the apostolic understanding of ministry.

Acts 2
(Where equity and alleviation of poverty is the chief concern of the new faith.)

Awe came upon everyone, because many wonders and signs were being done by the apostles. All who believed were together and HAD ALL THINGS IN COMMON; THEY WOULD SELL THEIR POSSESSIONS AND GOODS AND DISTRIBUTE THE PROCEEDS TO ALL, AS ANY HAD NEED. Day by day, as they spent much time together in the temple, they broke bread at home and ate their food with glad and generous hearts, praising God and having the goodwill of all the people. And DAY BY DAY THE LORD ADDED TO THEIR NUMBER those who were being saved.

Acts 4
(Where equity and alleviation of poverty is the chief ministry of the new faith.)
Now the whole group of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and NO ONE CLAIMED PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF ANY POSSESSIONS, BUT EVERYTHING THEY OWNED WAS HELD IN COMMON. With great power the apostles gave their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. THERE WAS NOT A NEEDY PERSON AMONG THEM, FOR AS MANY AS OWNED LANDS OR HOUSES SOLD THEM AND BROUGHT THE PROCEEDS OF WHAT WAS SOLD. They laid it at the apostles’ feet, and IT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO EACH AS ANY HAD NEED. There was a Levite, a native of Cyprus, Joseph, to whom the apostles gave the name Barnabas (which means “son of encouragement”). HE SOLD A FIELD THAT BELONGED TO HIM, THEN BROUGHT THE MONEY, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

Acts 5
(Where dishonesty with the ministry of the alleviation of poverty is fatal.)

But a man named Ananias, with the consent of his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property; with his wife’s knowledge, he kept back some of the proceeds, and brought only a part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. “Ananias,” Peter asked, “why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, were not the proceeds at your disposal? How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You did not lie to us but to God!” Now when Ananias heard these words, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard of it. The young men came and wrapped up his body, then carried him out and buried him. After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter said to her, “Tell me whether you and your husband sold the land for such and such a price.” And she said, “Yes, that was the price.” Then Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Look, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” Immediately she fell down at his feet and died. When the young men came in they found her dead, so they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. And great fear seized the whole church and all who heard of these things.

Acts 6
(Where a whole designated ecclesial leadership is formed around the alleviation of poverty AS A LOGICAL RESPONSE TO THE INCREASE OF BELIEVERS.)

Now during those days, when the disciples were increasing in number, the Hellenists complained against the Hebrews because their widows were being neglected in the daily distribution of food. And the twelve called together the whole community of the disciples and said, “It is not right that we should neglect the word of God in order to wait on tables. Therefore, friends, select from among yourselves seven men of good standing, full of the Spirit and of wisdom, whom we may appoint to this task, while we, for our part, will devote ourselves to prayer and to serving the word.”

Feodor said...

Galatians
(Where Paul legitimizes his ministry among the Gentiles in concord with Jerusalem)

... and when James and Cephas and John, who were acknowledged pillars, recognized the grace that had been given to me, they gave to Barnabas and me the right hand of fellowship, agreeing that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. They asked only one thing, that we remember the poor, which was actually what I was eager to do.

Romans
(Where Paul sees his entire journey on behalf of God to naturally include raising MONEY FOR THE POOR in Jerusalem.)

We who are strong ought to put up with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves. Each of us must please our neighbor for the good purpose of building up the neighbor. For Christ did not please himself; but, as it is written, “The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me...

But now, with no further place for me in these regions, I desire, as I have for many years, to come to you when I go to Spain. For I do hope to see you on my journey and to be sent on by you, once I have enjoyed your company for a little while. At present, however, I am going to Jerusalem in a ministry to the saints; for Macedonia and Achaia have been PLEASED TO SHARE THEIR RESOURCES WITH THE POOR AMONG THE SAINTS AT JERUSALEM. They were pleased to do this, and INDEED THEY OWE IT TO THEM; FOR IF THE GENTILES HAVE COME TO SHARE IN THEIR SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS, THEY OUGHT ALSO TO BE OF SERVICE TO THEM IN MATERIAL THINGS. So, when I have completed this, and have delivered to them what has been collected, I will set out by way of you to Spain; and I know that when I come to you, I will come in the fullness of the blessing of Christ.

2 Corinthians 8
(Where Paul continues to frame his ministry as one of tasing MONEY for the poor BECAUSE CHRIST BECAME POOR SO THAT EVERYONE COULD BECOME RICH)

We want you to know, brothers and sisters, about the grace of God that has been granted to the churches of Macedonia for during a severe ordeal of affliction, THEIR ABUNDANT JOY AND THEIR EXTREME POVERTY HAVE OVERFLOWED IN A WEALTH OF GENEROSITY ON THEIR PART. FOR, AS I CAN TESTIFY, THEY VOLUNTARILY GAVE ACCORDING TO THEIR MEANS, AND EVEN BEYOND THEIR MEANS, begging us earnestly for the privilege of sharing in this ministry to the saints— and this, not merely as we expected; they gave themselves first to the Lord and, by the will of God, to us

For you know the generous act of our Lord Jesus Christ, that THOUGH HE WAS RICH, YET FOR YOUR SAKES HE BECAME POOR, SO THAT BY HIS POVERTY YOU MIGHT BECOME RICH. And in this matter I am giving my advice: it is appropriate for you who began last year not only to do something but even to desire to do something— now finish doing it, so that your eagerness may be matched by completing it according to your means. For if the eagerness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has—not according to what one does not have. I do not mean that there should be relief for others and pressure on you, but it is a question of a fair balance BETWEEN YOUR PRESENT ABUNDANCE AND THEIR NEED, SO THAT THEIR ABUNDANCE MAY BE FOR YOUR NEED, IN ORDER THAT THERE MAY BE A FAIR BALANCE. As it is written,

“THE ONE WHO HAD MUCH DID NOT HAVE TOO MUCH,
AND THE ONE WHO HAD LITTLE DID NOT HAVE TOO LITTLE.”

Acts 24
(The beginning of the end for Paul. Why did he go back to Jerusalem?)

I have a hope in God—a hope that they themselves also accept—that there will be a resurrection of both[e] the righteous and the unrighteous. Therefore I do my best always to have a clear conscience toward God and all people. Now after some years I CAME TO BRING ALMS TO MY NATION and to offer sacrifices.

Feodor said...

James
(Where Craig and Marshal find out they've just disrespected the poor by removing them from the center of the gospel.)

My brothers and sisters, do you with your acts of favoritism really believe in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ? For if a person with gold rings and in fine clothes comes into your assembly, and if a poor person in dirty clothes also comes in, and if you take notice of the one wearing the fine clothes and say, “Have a seat here, please,” while to the one who is poor you say, “Stand there,” or, “Sit at my feet,” Have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brothers and sisters. Has not God chosen the poor in the world to be rich in faith and to be heirs of the kingdom that he has promised to those who love him? But you have dishonored the poor.

[and previously in James]

Let the believer who is lowly boast in being raised up, and the rich in being brought low, because the rich will disappear like a flower in the field. For the sun rises with its scorching heat and withers the field; its flower falls, and its beauty perishes. It is the same way with the rich; in the midst of a busy life, they will wither away.
____

Neither Craig nor Marshal can read the gospel. They have so corrupted themselves in white supremacy and a radical protestant sectarianism that they twist Jesus preaching, ministry, and the purpose of the Son of God: to command love by turning our hearts toward love in recognition that god is love.

Craig: [Jesus] never mentions the poor.

When he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, he went to the synagogue on the sabbath day, as was his custom. He stood up to read, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written:

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to bring good news to THE POOR.
He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives
and recovery of sight to THE BLIND,
to let THE OPPRESSED go free,
to proclaim THE YEAR OF THE LORD’S FAVOR.”

And he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant, and sat down. The eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. Then he began to say to them, “Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”

Craig should start believing in Christ. Which brings the understanding that believing in Christ naturally includes a ministry to eradicate poverty. Simply reading the Bible tells us so.

Dan Trabue said...

I can't explain it. It's a sort of blindness, isn't it, Feodor?

I would probably want to modify your claim here... Which brings the understanding that believing in Christ naturally includes a ministry to eradicate poverty.

I would suggest that Jesus and decency teach us to alleviate/eradicate the harm caused by a debilitating poverty. I believe in a lifestyle of "enough" and of simplicity which can be/is done at the poverty level at least as it exists in the US... Given sufficient land and the means to work it, agrarians can live with minimal financial wealth, for instance.

If we capitalists don't poison the water or flood the lands or burn the up with draught by our practices and policies, both personal and systemic.

Feodor said...

In Luke 4, Jesus LITERALLY announces himself - “the Spirit of the Lord is upon me” - by identifying his coming with the fulfillment of god’s promise to love and care for the poor: “Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”

Feodor said...

So, either Craig and Marshal cannot grasp the gospel... or they do not believe the son of god who preaches it.

Feodor said...

Craig: “Of course Jesus preached The Gospel to those who would listen, that doesn’t prove that the poor have a priority.”

Jesus: The “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to bring good news to THE POOR.
He has sent me to proclaim release to THE CAPTIVE
and recovery of sight to THE BLIND,
to let THE OPPRESSED go free,
to proclaim THE YEAR OF THE LORD’S FAVOR.”

And he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant, and sat down. The eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. Then he began to say to them, “Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”

Dan Trabue said...

Clearly, Jesus misspoke.

Feodor said...

Well... they are stuck with worshipping the book. So that option is out. What is gyrating in their minds at the moment are various strategies of diversion, dodge, prevarication, myth-making, etc. My guess is that Marshal will once again pose as a comparative literature major and try to confuse the world like he is on the meanings of analogy and metaphor, typology (if he spends some time in study to discover the word) and realized eschatology vs dislocated eschaton.

Craig will stay silent, as the better strategy in the face of superior understanding.

But by some corruption, though, both will think the poor, captive, blind, and oppressed doesn't relate to them or to faith.

Odd, given that Craig goest to Haiti (or not odd since I believe he goes to assuage guilt and enjoy patronization) that he cannot say, yes, I go to Haiti because I follow Jesus for whom the poor were at the center of his ministry. But, no such pure humble, Christian understanding belongs to him.
_____

As for your program for simple living, you have famous predecessors. Tolstoy, Saint-Simon, Gandhi, Monks and Religious Sisters galore.

Not everyone is called, but I surely support you in that.

Feodor said...

You also remind me of Henri Nouwen plus his work at L’Arche Daybreak in Ontario.

And do you know Kenneth Leech in London? Subversive Orthodoxy is one of his books; contextual theology, from real life.

Feodor said...

I love how Craig, whose theology is comprehensively confined by protest and utter judgment of church history, calls on church history which he has zero understanding of.

St John Chrysostom, 349-407
Archbishop of Constantinople
Homily II on the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man

“I shall bring you testimony from the divine Scriptures, saying that not only theft of others’ goods but also the failure to share one’s goods with others is theft and swindle and defraudation…. (Malachi 3:8-10 and Sirach 4:1) To deprive is to take what belongs to another; for it is called deprivation when we take and keep what belongs to others. By this we are taught then when we do not show mercy, we will be punished just like those who steal. For our money is the Lord’s, however we may have gathered it. If we provide for those in need, we shall obtain great plenty. This is why God has allowed you to have more, not for you to waste on prostitutes, drink, fancy food, expensive clothes, and all the other kinds of indulgence, but for you to distribute to those in need…. If you are affluent, but spend more than you need, you will give account of the funds which were entrusted to you… for you obtained more than others have, and you have received it, not to spend it for yourself, but to become a good steward for others as well...

If it is possible for you, remember everything I have said. If you cannot remember everything, instead of everything, I beg you, remember this without fail, that to fail to share our own wealth with the poor is theft from the poor and deprivation of their means of life; we do not possess our own wealth but theirs. If we have this attitude, we will certainly offer our money, and by nourishing Christ in poverty here and laying up great profit hereafter, we will be able to attain the good things which are to come, by the grace and kindness of our Lord Jesus Christ, with Whom be glory, honor and might, to the Father, together with the Holy Spirit, now and every and unto ages of ages. Amen.”

Feodor said...

What does Craig think I proud about?

That he is a run-of-the-mill illiterate just like 90% of professed Christians (even literalists) when it comes to biblical interpretation? No, I’m not proud of that.

That he is a run-of-the-mill illiterate just like 90% of professed Christians (even literalists)!when it comes to church history? No, I’m not proud of that.

That he keeps posing as someone who is literate in biblical interpretation and church history should have been stopped by his own shame long ago.

But he has no shame. And no cause for pride in that, either.

Feodor said...

Craig: “What if the economic gospel is wrong[?] What if Jesus really did come to earth as a human with the express purpose of paying for sin and to reconcile humanity to Himself [?]”

Feodor: “What if Craig we’re able to hold two thoughts in his head at the same time? And they both were true?”

Jesus: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to bring good news to THE POOR.
He has sent me to proclaim release to THE CAPTIVE
and recovery of sight to THE BLIND,
to let THE OPPRESSED go free,
to proclaim THE YEAR OF THE LORD’S FAVOR.”

Feodor said...

Marshal, who cannot read scripture, claims that Jesus never used the word, grace. ["He mentions "grace" ZERO times"]

Guess what?

Even before Jesus speaks the word, grace, we are prepared for how exactly Christians should understand it.

1. Mary, to her eternal credit, received God's grace when the Angel spoke to her.
2. The young Jesus grew up with the blessing of God's grace on him.
3. When he announced himself by preaching in the synagogue of Nazareth, all who heard him perceive the grace with which he spoke.
4. Most profoundly, John lays down the theological source of the gospel of grace at the very beginning: "and the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

But, then, Jesus used the word, grace, in his teachings about how we are to behave with others just as God does with us.

5. “If you love those who love you, how is that grace [chari] from you? For even sinners love those who love them. If you do good to those who do good to you, how is that grace [chari] from you? For even sinners do the same. If you lend to those from whom you hope to receive, how is that grace [chari] from you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to receive as much again."

Which sets up your point, Dan, when Jesus, immediately following says, "Do not judge, and you will not be judged; do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap; for the measure you give will be the measure you get back.”

A gospel of grace: "forgive, and you will be forgiven."

[This text is found in Luke just after he rocks the Pharisees: “Why are you doing what is not lawful on the sabbath?” Jesus answered, “Have you not read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God and took and ate the bread of the Presence, which it is not lawful for any but the priests to eat, and gave some to his companions?” Then he said to them, “The Son of Man is lord of the sabbath.... On another sabbath he entered the synagogue and taught, and there was a man there whose right hand was withered. The scribes and the Pharisees watched him to see whether he would cure on the sabbath, so that they might find an accusation against him. Even though he knew what they were thinking, he said to the man who had the withered hand, “Come and stand here.” He got up and stood there. Then Jesus said to them, “I ask you, is it lawful to do good or to do harm on the sabbath, to save life or to destroy it?” And then follows our text which is Luke's version of the sermon on the mount.]

Feodor said...

6.. Jesus also uses the word, grace, when preparing his disciples for the very hard work of following his very difficult model of love and forgiveness, which, he says, is the hard life of grace.

"Jesus said to his disciples, “Occasions for stumbling are bound to come, but woe to anyone by whom they come! It would be better for you if a millstone were hung around your neck and you were thrown into the sea than for you to cause one of these little ones to stumble. Be on your guard! If another disciple sins, you must rebuke the offender, and if there is repentance, you must forgive. And if the same person sins against you seven times a day, and turns back to you seven times and says, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive.” The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!” And the Lord said... “Who among you would say to your slave who has just come in from plowing or tending sheep in the field, ‘Come here at once and take your place at the table’? Would you not rather say to him, ‘Prepare supper for me, put on your apron and serve me while I eat and drink; later you may eat and drink’? Do you hold out grace to the slave for doing what was commanded? So you also, when you have done all that you were ordered to do, say, ‘We are worthless slaves; we have done only what we ought to have done!’”

Clearly, we Christians, as his disciples, are to extend and model grace as the good news for those in need of it.

Feodor said...

Marshal, who cannot understand theology, claims that Jesus refers to Penal Substitionary Salvation. Guess what?

The occasions Jesus uses:

1. Penal: ____________________. (N/A)
2. Substitionary: ______________________ (N/A)
3. Atonement: ______________________ (N/A)

As Marshal would say, Jesus mentions PSA ZERO times.

Marshal thinks Matthew 20 refers to PSA. He’s dead wrong. “Ransom” is the word, used by Jesus one time only - here and in the parallel passage in Mark. But ransom applies to kidnapped children, women, relatives, or, in ancient times, slaves. Not people that are due penal punishment.

[I will, however, certainly maintaining that suffering is a part of atonement. But, in opposition to - what is the awkward, sick acronym Marshal uses? PSA? - in explicit opposition to PSA, suffering seems to belong to those whom Christ has already blessed with atonement, not those in need of punishment:

"Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same intention (for whoever has suffered in the flesh has finished with sin)..."

"For it is better to suffer for doing good, if suffering should be God’s will, than to suffer for doing evil. For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, in order to bring you to God... And baptism, which this prefigured, now saves you—not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers made subject to him."

Is this very suffering WITH CHRIST - this atonement which then brings the difficult life of discipleship - that, to your point, Dan, yet again, urges Peter to call us to a faithful belief and behavior in grace:

"As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the GRACE [charitos] that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries... Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the GRACE [charin] to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ."

Which allows us to live in grace - not judgment - with all:

"Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love for one another, a tender heart, and a humble mind. Do not repay evil for evil or abuse for abuse; but, on the contrary, repay with a blessing. It is for this that you were called—that you might inherit a blessing.”]

Dan Trabue said...

Feodor... When he announced himself by preaching in the synagogue of Nazareth, all who heard him perceive the grace with which he spoke.

I think perhaps that's a good way of looking at it and how I should attempt to frame it. As you look at Jesus' words, in toto, we see that he is really offering an alternative model to the Pharisaic/religious/legalistic/deathly model. Jesus came in specific response/contrast to the Pharisees, you can see throughout his teachings.

"The people" in Jesus' time recognized the oppressive powers of both Rome and the Religious Elite. Their way was harmful and oppressive to the poor and marginalized. They represented, oftentimes, a collusion with the oppressive power of Rome which was really more about keeping order... no offense to any particular religion, we just want things done our way and you can't do otherwise. While there were some of the religious elite quite opposed to colluding with Rome, others were glad to cooperate in an effort to keep their own limited power. And then, even amongst those opposed to working with Rome, they were glad to do so, for instance, to keep Jesus or another "enemy" oppressed/removed.

The people were aware of the harmful oppression of the gov't and religious elite. They recognized in Jesus' gospel SPECIFICALLY literally to the poor and marginalized, a new/different model and one that promised change and improvement. That is one reason why he was so popular amongst the marginalized. They recognized his Good News for the poor AS JUST THAT... and as an alternative to the legalism and oppression of the religious elite and the gov't.

They recognized a Way of Grace - even if not named by that name - for what it was... Good News.

Dan Trabue said...

A question that I left for Craig...

I wonder what people like you think Jesus' Good News is, and in what sense is it good news? For instance, even if you wouldn't put it this way, is this not a technically correct summation of your hunches about "good news..."?

Ancient marginalized person (AMP): Wow! I just heard Jesus speaking about the "Good News FOR THE POOR and OPPRESSED," Specifically for "the poor and oppressed..." he said! I am a poor and marginalized dirt farmer whose poor daughter ended up working as a harlot after her husband abandoned her. Jesus' way sounds like it's something different than the legalism of the Pharisees, which is just more oppression especially for marginalized folk like me and my family... this sounds like an open invitation to ALL to be part of God's realm AND that it makes a real difference in our life, here and now! Glory be!

Modern Conservative Evangelicals (MCE): Now, hold on a second there, son. You're confusing Jesus' good news with socialism or something. You've got it all wrong.

AMP: What? Well, what IS the good news for the poor and marginalized that Jesus talked of?

MCE: Well, first of all, it's NOT a good news specifically for the poor, that's your first mistake.

AMP: But, but Jesus said...

MCE: Look, clearly you've been reading Marx, not Jesus. The good news is this: That ALL of us humans are horrible, awful, monstrous people. EVEN OUR BABIES are sinful. In fact, all of us, even our babies, are SO awful and sinful, that we DESERVE to die.

AMP: Even our babies...?

MCE: ...and NOT just to die, but to die and yet your spirit will be kept alive and tortured in fire for all of eternity.

AMP: That's the good news??

MCE: No, of course not. The good news is that God is offering us an alternative. We can be saved eventually and go to heaven and live in bliss forever.

AMP: Starting now? Because I'm hungry and oppressed here, now...

MCE: No, Jesus didn't really care all that much specifically about the poor and marginalized. He just didn't have a lot to say about the condition of the poor and marginalized...

cont'd...

Dan Trabue said...

AMP: It sounded to me like he did... that's why all of us poor folk were so energized by his teachings...

MCE: Nope. Jesus loves ALL of us sinners and invited SOME of us are invited to that bliss of heaven. Of course, the rest of us, including most poor people AND most rich people, will be tortured for eternity for being awful, terrible people that God didn't choose.

AMP: God's only choosing SOME of us? But what if we WANT to be saved but weren't chosen?

MCE: IF you weren't chosen, that means you didn't really want to be saved in the first place. And so, for such a person, it's eternal torture for being such a horrible human being.

AMP: Eternal torture??! What did I do that was SO awful that it deserves eternal torture?

MCE: Be born a fallen, disgusting, sin-riddled human being.

AMP: But... I didn't ask to be born or to be born that way. I just was born, without my consent.

MCE: Nonetheless, you have chosen to reject God's offer (if you're not in the Elect chosen by God group) and thus, will be tortured for an eternity.

AMP: And THAT is the "good news for the poor and oppressed" that Jesus talked about? No changes now, continued suffering and oppression now, but one day, there's a one in a hundred chance I might be one of the elect that gets saved?

MCE: One in a hundred actually sounds pretty high, to me. "WIDE is the way that leads to destruction," you know?

AMP: (muttering...), but... but how is that good news for the poor and oppressed?

MCE: (singing) Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like ME (but not him, poor chump!)

+++++++

Is that a technically close summary of your hunches about salvation? Even if you wouldn't put it that way? If it's not correct, what isn't correct? How is YOUR version of "good news for the poor" in any way actually good news for the poor? Or was Jesus wrong to put it that way?

Feodor said...

And luckily enough for us, as it stands, 99% of the chosen are white protestant Christians right here in the good ole USA. The Red Letters stand for America!

Craig said...

No, that’s a significant perversion, but it made you happy and that’s what’s important.

Feodor said...

Make an argument, Craig, or admit you cannot face the task of arguing exactly what he perversion consists of.