Wednesday, March 7, 2018

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them

Some excerpts from an article from a researcher on the depth and depravity of lies told by this current administration... which comes as no surprise to anyone who isn't blinded by an unhealthy sort of partisanship.

I Study Liars, And I've Never Seen One Like Trump

I spent the first two decades of my career as a social scientist studying liars and their lies. I thought I had developed a sense of what to expect from them. Then along came President Donald Trump. His lies are both more frequent and more malicious than ordinary people's...

In Trump's first 298 days in office, however, he made 1,628 false or misleading claims or flip-flops, by The Post's tally.

[!!! Holy Shit! This is not normal nor should it be acceptable! We can't just casually pass this insane bit of data by! ~DT] 

That's about six per day, far higher than the average rate in our studies. And of course, reporters have access to only a subset of Trump's false statements — the ones he makes publicly — so unless he never stretches the truth in private, his actual rate of lying is almost certainly higher.

That rate has been accelerating. Starting in early October, The Post's tracking showed that Trump told a remarkable nine lies a day, outpacing even the biggest liars in our research.

But the flood of deceit isn't the most surprising finding about Trump...

Trump told 6.6 times as many self-serving lies as kind ones. That's a much higher ratio than we found for our study participants, who told about double the number of self-centered lies compared with kind ones.

The most stunning way Trump's lies differed from our participants', though, was in their cruelty. An astonishing 50 percent of Trump's lies were hurtful or disparaging...

By telling so many lies, and so many that are mean-spirited, Trump is violating some of the most fundamental norms of human social interaction and human decency...

Read the whole story...


Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.                            

~Proverbs 12

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

~Exodus 20

But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come
evil thoughts,
sexual immorality,
false witness,

These are what defile a person.

~Jesus, reading a laundry list of an average day in the Trump White House (with the possible exception of "murder...," so far as we know...)


Marshal Art said...

He's got nothing on you,or the Clintons or the Obamas. You continue to feign alarm and concern for that which honest people regard as altogether insignificant despite being regrettable and unfortunate, while disingenuous people like you (I'm being gracious here) never so much as passed gas over the far more serious lies and behaviors of those you support.

Indeed, you end this muckraking drivel with the type of rhetoric you would add to this vast list of Trump lies had he said it. Jesus was neither reading a list, nor was he referring to Trump.

Anonymous said...

I would enjoy reading a debate among y'all on voter ID laws. So consider this a request for a future blog post, Dan.

~ Hiram

Marshal Art said...


I would enjoy (sincerely) greater participation on your part in any discussion. The herd has thinned greatly in recent years and I say, the more the merrier.

Just sayin'.

Dan Trabue said...

I have no huge amount of information or opinion on voter ID laws. Generally, I support making voting EASIER to do with FEWER limitations.

IF voter ID laws are restrictive, then because I support easier access to voting with fewer limitations, I'd be opposed to them.

Seeing as how the data demonstrates we have almost zero problems with serious voter fraud in our nation, it seems to me more of an opportunity for some to demonize and stigmatize and disenfranchise the poor, the marginalized, the immigrant. It's creating a problem and expenditure where no problem exists.

Except, the cynical might say, the problem of some that more voting might equal less votes for THEM.

But beyond that, i don't really have anything to say.

Anonymous said...

As far as the herd thinning, I am thinking Mr. Glenn Chatfield has been mighty quiet around these parts.

~ Hiram

Marshal Art said...


Glenn's but one, and the most recent. I think blogging in general might be on the wane. I never had many left-leaning blogs on my blog role. But of those, Dan's is the only active one that remains.

As to ID laws, there's far more than those who oppose them will ever admit, nor will they admit there is next to zero expense to implement them...neither for voters or states to enact them. Almost all states provide some means of acquiring state ID for free if a citizen claims the average $15 cost he could have scraped at least two years to gather is prohibitive. The only people who would lose are those who aren't legally entitled to vote. Most of those vote for Democrats, and most who oppose ID are Democrats. Firming up the inegrity of the voting system doesn’t work well for Democrats.

Now, back to the topic at hand...

Craig said...

Given that voting is a privilege, which has restrictions, I see absolutely no problem with requiring that people demonstrate their qualification to vote. As Art mentioned, the bar for getting the free state issued ID is so low that it’s absurd to claim it prevents people from voting.

As long as there is a mechanism for a free ID and it’s applied equally to everyone, I think it’s perfectly acceptable.

Marshal Art said...

I don't necessarily think it must be free. Again, it's at least two years between elections (some not voting except every four when the presidency is up for grabs), and as I looked at costs in each state for IDs, I found one at $45 dollars. How long would it take for anyone who takes voting seriously to save up $45 for an ID? Even at two years? That's a little more than $.06 per day.

But that's only one state. The next most expensive was about half that at most, and usually around $10-$15. Yet still, at the same time, most states, if not all of them, offer them for free for those who somehow can't scrape together a few cents per day.

Voting is TOO easy these days. You don't have to identify yourself. You don't have to leave the house. You don't have to wait until voting day. And too many leftists don't even require you to be a citizen. One side of the political/ideological divide considers voting to be a serious responsibility of every American who truly cares about their country. The other side are leftists.

Craig said...

I live in a state with voting day registration and all you need to register is someone (who also doesn’t have to identify themselves) to “vouch” for you. Essentially, if you can rope someone into saying you live in the precinct, you can vote.

I would clarify that, I think the significant identification and verification should take place when you register to vote, then the ID at the polling place is just confirmation.

I’d point out, that both “the poor” and “immigrants” (immigrants who are citizens and thus eligible to vote) would need an ID that would allow them to vote for numerous other activities and programs. So it seems absurd to think that they wouldn’t already have an acceptable ID.

Dan Trabue said...

It's not always as easy as the well off and mainstream may realize...

Craig said...

You do realize that the folks you mention need an ID for numerous products and services (prescriptions, Dr appointment or hospital visits, otc medication, various welfare benefits, tobacco and alcohol to name a few. Are you suggesting that there is a problem with requiring ID for those things?

Craig said...

You also realize that it’s possible that circumstances have changed since early 2016.

Marshal Art said...


The story you posted focuses on extreme cases, and no system is perfect. But having no system at all just so just anyone can vote is worse. There must be controls that insure the integrity of the vote. Your side of the divide allows for those who shouldn't be voting, for legitimate reasons, to vote anyway, and that's what makes the Democrats giddy, because such people are most likely to vote for the party that will give them stuff at the cost of everyone else.

At what point are adults expected to be adults and ensure that their own personal affairs are in order? If one is less than dedicated to such things, I don't have any pity that they might have to burden themselves in these ways in order to make things right. It's what adults do, like it or not. To call such expectations "a poll tax" or "disenfranchisement" is a lie from the pit of put in terms you have no problem using. I feel bad for the people who are victims of clerical errors, but why they weren't caught at the time it happened is not an argument for the state ignoring the need for ensuring voting system integrity.