Thursday, August 29, 2019

Yet More on the Pharisees...

My pastor, in her sermon on Sunday, read the passage from Luke about the Pharisees. The same one I spoke about in a recent post on Pharisees ("More on Pharisees. And Harsh Insults"). Interesting timing. Here are some excerpts from that sermon...


Because we’ve been focusing on “table graces” during this season of Ordinary Time, we’ve been looking at those scriptures through which we can see God’s grace revealed at the table. It’s been good to hear stories of how that has happened in some of our lives, and we look forward to hearing more along the way.


While this morning’s scripture reading is a story about Jesus at the table, though, it’s a little more difficult than usual to see the grace there. But let’s look for it! 

...I’ve mentioned before that Karen, our pastor-friend in Morocco, told me once that she is convinced that Jesus grew up in a Pharisaic home, and that that's why he was always attacking them. It was what she calls 'insider critique.' It's like me feeling free to criticize Southern Baptists at will. You don't often find me criticizing Presbyterians or United Methodists or Episcopalians or Roman Catholics or Muslims or Jews, but I feel like Southern Baptists, of which I was one for so many years, are fair game.
It certainly is true that Jesus had much in common with the Pharisees, and I find her theory, which she says is also shared by some French theologians, compelling.

When I hear Jesus railing at Pharisees, she said in an email about this, I cannot help but think that he knows he is justified in his critique because they are his own people. It’s clear from scripture that he still hangs out with Pharisees and gets invited into their homes – likely because they were his friends and family. Jesus may well have been inducted into the party of the Pharisees himself. (Their deep concern was righteousness, after all.) Yet as God worked in his life, and as he came to understand more fully who he was and what his calling was as Son of Man and Son of God, he had to reject the religious tradition of his beloved family and friends.

So, if that is the case, it might shine a different kind of light on this morning’s passage than the one we saw at first...

...in today’s reading, we don’t really see Jesus do any of that [being calm, kind, gracious ~dt] at all. What we see is Jesus just going at them. And when one of the teachers of the law tries to calm him down, pointing out that he’s not just being negative toward the Pharisees, but is pushing up against him and his peers as well, instead of saying, “Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings,” Jesus confronts, and if we weren’t talking about Jesus, we might be more comfortable saying “attacks” the teachers of the Law as well. Makes them and the Pharisees so angry that they begin to “oppose him fiercely.” And I will remind us again that some scholars believe that the main reason that Jesus was executed had to do with his table conversations.

So okay, then, where is the “grace” in this table story? Well, actually it’s right in front of our eyes, big time. Because here’s the thing…Jesus’ message to the Pharisees and teachers of the Law had to do with grace for those who are vulnerable…Be generous to the poor, he says, and everything in you will be clean. Do justice, don’t load people down with burdens, and then not even lift a finger, to help them out. He is speaking on behalf of those who are being oppressed and beaten down by those to whom is speaking.

And so while at first glance, this might not sound like a table grace story, it definitely is. It’s Jesus’ voice pushing and arguing and fighting for grace for those who don’t have it to those who can give it...

...I think that this morning’s story, while it doesn’t really show Jesus being contemplative during the confrontation, it does show that he has been contemplative and that he is being intentional. Because he comes to the meal and he doesn’t wash his hands. That wasn’t just something that was gross, that was something that was seen as a sin. You had to wash your hands. And yet, given that that’s how he grew up, it seems to me that this was something that Jesus planned. He intentionally did not wash his hands. And then when the Pharisee shows surprise, as Jesus knew he would, Jesus makes his point:

Now then, you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You foolish people! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also?  But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.”

He set them up for that, or so it seems to me. He was contemplative and then intentional with his actions and his words...

...You see, grace doesn’t have to be sweet and nice.

The poet
Rashani writes:

There is a brokenness
out of which comes the unbroken,
a shatteredness
out of which blooms the unshatterable.

Jesus caused a sense of brokenness at the table that day as he stood up for the vulnerable ones. He cut at the very hearts of those who were there with him. Our hope is, of course, that some of them though cut to the heart, were then able to enter into a new place, a place of true grace. May we have the courage to be like Jesus. May we have the courage to be like Jesus. 
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~Pastor Cindy

19 comments:

Marshal Art said...

"Yet as God worked in his life, and as he came to understand more fully who he was and what his calling was as Son of Man and Son of God, he had to reject the religious tradition of his beloved family and friends."

Ah! The Willem Defoe Jesus from "Last Temptation of Christ". There is no Scriptural basis for believing Christ "came to understand who he was". There is basis for believing He always knew, going back to the story of Him as a twelve-year-old in the Temple. (Though I don't say it's conclusive)

I would suggest also what I suggested before. This woman wants to believe Christ's engagement with the Pharisees here was out of concern for someone other than the Pharisees. Why believe He wasn't simply concerned for the Pharisees and was using the "set up" as a way to address their shortcomings? Are we to believe that He was so UNconcerned for them that He would not care if they burned in hell so long as they treated poor people better? The threat to the poor would still exist so long as those who abused them were not changed.

Dan Trabue said...

No, he was so concerned for the poor and oppressed that he was rebuking the religious zealots warning them that what they fail to do for the least of these they fail to do for him. And so that they might one day be told, "depart from me into the mouth of hell!"

Clearly, the Jesus who came, According To Jesus, to preach good news to the poor and liberty for the oppressed, the Jesus who rebuked the money changers for cheating the poor, the Jesus who rebuked the Pharisees for missing the weightier matters of Justice for the poor and oppressed, the Jesus who warned that those who fail to side with and alongside the least of these we're doomed, but they were creating a hell for themselves, that Jesus Took the concern for the poor and oppressed seriously. So seriously that he was not concerned, did not give a damn about the so-called healthy, which was an allegory for the religious types. He was concerned about the poor and oppressed, the marginalized.

I think you're still missing the point.

Marshal Art said...

All you say proves my point. What else is a warning but a sign of concern? One who doesn't "give a damn" about another does not give the other warning. Thus, he was concerned for the Pharisees in "setting them up" in order to make his point. Thanks for the affirmation.

Craig said...

Cherry pick Jesus words much?

This is long on speculation and fantasy, short in evidence and proof.

Dan Trabue said...

Do you deny that Jesus coming to preach the good news is a central focus of the Gospel as talked about by Jesus? Do you deny that Jesus expressing support for and siding with the poor is a common theme, perhaps one of the most common themes of his ministry? That, indeed, Jesus had zero to say about gay guys getting married or even about gay guys, but he had a hell of a lot to say about the oppression of the poor and the religious Elites abusing the system and oppressing the poor and marginalized?

Dan Trabue said...

Cherry picking, indeed.

Dan Trabue said...

Some helpful thoughts on the topic, here...

"But what really moved Jesus to speak against the injustice of his age was poverty. According to the Gospel of Luke, the first words out of his mouth, when he stood to deliver his Sermon on the Mount, were: “Blessed are you poor, for yours is the Kingdom of God.” (Luke 6: 20). And in the next verse he added: “Blessed are you that hunger now, for you shall be satisfied.” (Luke 6: 21). And then he condemned the rich and the well-fed: “But woe to you that are rich, for you have received your consolation. Woe to you that are full now, for you shall hunger.” (Luke 6: 24-25)..."

"This refrain is repeated throughout the Gospels.

Jesus stresses that we must not give heed to material possessions. “A man’s life,” Jesus taught, “does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” (Luke 12: 15). We should not store up earthly treasure, “for where your treasure, there will be your heart also.” (Matthew 6: 21). Money oppresses. It crushes the spirit...."

"We do not own wealth, Jesus reminds us. Rather, wealth owns us. “No one can serve two masters,” he declared. “For either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and Mammon.”..."

"Jesus doubted that those attached to wealth could ever be saved. When the rich young man approached him and assured him that he knew the mandates of the Law and kept them, Jesus told him that there was yet one thing he should do: “One thing still you lack. Sell all that you have and distribute it to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me..."

"In contrast to this elaborate and repeated teaching, we find nothing comparable when we look at what Jesus said about sexual transgressions. The Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, those texts which were intended to summarize the core principles of Jesus’ earthly ministry, contain no mention of sexual sins..."

[NOTE FROM DAN: Of course, the author errs, here. Jesus did indeed warn against sexual sins in the SOTM, but it has nowhere near the emphasis as his wealth and poverty and justice for the oppressed passages do...) -DT]

"In these passages, it is the betrayal, the abandonment of one spouse by the other, that is denounced. Interestingly, a close reading of the passages suggests that Jesus did not prohibit the innocent party from remarriage, only the one who sought an easy escape from marriage for the arms of another partner..."

[NOTE FROM DAN: We must needs keep in mind that even the proscription against divorce can (and should) be seen as a matter of justice for the marginalized, poor and oppressed. In that society, a man could divorce and move on and not suffer a hit from the divorce, financially. Not so for the disagraced woman in a divorce scenario. She was likely consigned to a life of poverty and shame... an economic and societal oppression. -DT]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/poverty-sex-and-the-gospe_b_3653706

Craig said...

Of course Jesus came to preach the good news of salvation through His life and death. Unfortunately we know what Jesus actually talked about and improving the economic condition of the poor wasn’t something He spent a lot of time on. It’s a simple Google search to find out what Jesus talked about.

Actually Jesus did specifically address marriage, and He did talk about the abuse of the law and the sacrificial system. Not so much talk or action aimed specifically at economically, materially, or socially empowering the poor. He did talk about the poor, it just wasn’t as much as you’d like.


But great job at addressing the speculation in the sermon and separating speculation from fact.

Dan Trabue said...

The problem, it seems to me, is that you are viewing the notion of Jesus salvation through the lens of modern conservatism and not through Jesus actual words. I'm sure you just have not had the opportunity to Think Through the Bible from the lens of Jesus words and with a focus Injustice and poverty and wealth and oppression and human Liberty. When I get a chance, I'll try to sit down and go through, for instance, Luke, from chapter 1 until its conclusion and help you see how on nearly every page, Jesus is talking about Liberty from oppressive religious traditions and rules, as well as economic Justice in the grace of human Liberty. May your eyes be opened.

Feodor said...

Craig: “Unfortunately we know what Jesus actually talked about and improving the economic condition of the poor wasn’t something He spent a lot of time on. It’s a simple Google search to find out what Jesus talked about.“

This will be the third time now that I’ve posted this for Craig in the span of two weeks.. The inference for his discipleship and faith in Jesus Christ is pretty bad. Not to mention his reading comprehension.

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats, and he will put the sheep at his right hand and the goats at the left. Then the king will say to those at his right hand, ‘Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?’ And the king will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.’ Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, ‘Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?’ Then he will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Craig said...

I don’t at all have a problem looking at Jesus ministry through the lens of His words. That’s why I don’t take the hyper focused one dimensional view of His ministry that you do. It’s why I can look at the summaries of the things He talked about more than others and observe that to draw conclusions from. It’s precisely the fact that I look at all of what He actually said and draw conclusions from that. I also look at what those who knew Him best have written and compare the words of Jesus, the words of His disciples with the hunches if 21st century progressives. It’s not that hard to separate your opinions from what Jesus said.

Feodor said...

“Are you the one who is to come, or are we to wait for another?” Jesus answered them, “Go and tell John what you hear and see: the blind receive their sight, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the poor have good news brought to them. And blessed is anyone who takes no offense at me.”

Feodor said...

Shout out, do not hold back!
Lift up your voice like a trumpet!
Announce to my people their rebellion,
to the house of Jacob their sins.
2. Yet day after day they seek me
and delight to know my ways,
as if they were a nation that practiced righteousness
and did not forsake the ordinance of their God;
they ask of me righteous judgments,
they delight to draw near to God.
3 “Why do we fast, but you do not see?
Why humble ourselves, but you do not notice?”
Look, you serve your own interest on your fast day,
and oppress all your workers.
4 Look, you fast only to quarrel and to fight
and to strike with a wicked fist.
Such fasting as you do today
will not make your voice heard on high.
5 Is such the fast that I choose,
a day to humble oneself?
Is it to bow down the head like a bulrush,
and to lie in sackcloth and ashes?
Will you call this a fast,
a day acceptable to the Lord?
6 Is not this the fast that I choose:
to loose the bonds of injustice,
to undo the thongs of the yoke,
to let the oppressed go free,
and to break every yoke?
7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
and bring the homeless poor into your house;
when you see the naked, to cover them,
and not to hide yourself from your own kin?
8 Then your light shall break forth like the dawn,
and your healing shall spring up quickly;
your vindicator[a] shall go before you,
the glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.
9 Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer;
you shall cry for help, and he will say, Here I am.
If you remove the yoke from among you,
the pointing of the finger, the speaking of evil,
10 if you offer your food to the hungry
and satisfy the needs of the afflicted,
then your light shall rise in the darkness
and your gloom be like the noonday.
11 The Lord will guide you continually,
and satisfy your needs in parched places,
and make your bones strong;
and you shall be like a watered garden,
like a spring of water,
whose waters never fail.
12 Your ancient ruins shall be rebuilt;
you shall raise up the foundations of many generations;
you shall be called the repairer of the breach,
the restorer of streets to live in.

Dan Trabue said...

Craig: Can you admit the reality that, in Jesus' literal words about preaching the Good News, there is not one time - and let me repeat that, lest you have a hard time understanding... NOT ONE TIME - that Jesus uses words like "preaching the good news that they can be forgiven IF I pay a blood sacrifice for their sins... otherwise, God will be angry and entirely unable to abide their presence..." or any words like that in his talking about preaching the Good News of the Realm of God?

Do you understand the question?

Also, can you admit the reality that, in ALL of Jesus' literal words recorded in the Gospels, there are only TWO times (and really, only one, I believe... Matt 26) where Jesus makes any even vague references to the Gospel being about paying a blood sacrifice to achieve forgiveness of sin?

And if so, on what basis do you think we need to take those two times (sort of) literally?

I've created a new post about the Gospel as found in Jesus' words in the Gospel books. You can see that...

issues of grace for the poor and marginalized, and,
opposition to the wealthy, powerful and religious rule-followers...

are in (nearly?) every chapter on the Gospels, whereas, Penal Substitutionary Theory language is nearly absent.

Or can you see that?

Dan Trabue said...

Feodor... "The inference for his discipleship and faith in Jesus Christ is pretty bad. Not to mention his reading comprehension."

Indeed.

Craig... "we know what Jesus actually talked about and improving the economic condition of the poor wasn’t something He spent a lot of time on."

Good Lord. What book are you looking at? I think someone wrapped a copy of Ayn Rand in a Bible binding and sold it to you, Craig. You're missing some significant parts of the Bible. I mean, seriously, have you READ the actual Bible?

Craig said...

Dan,

Of course there isn't anything Jesus preached that used those exact words, but to deny the existence of those threads is disingenuous at best.

As to your characterization of Jesus teaching, given your desire to prove a point and your prejudices, I'm not sure I'd be willing to your characterizations of what Jesus said. Especially when they're so out of line with every summary of what Jesus taught that I've seen.

Dan Trabue said...

Craig... "to deny the existence of those threads is disingenuous at best."

No, it's not. The CONCEPT (using ANY WORDS) of the Penal Substitutionary Human Theory of Atonement is almost non-existent in the Gospels. I've pointed out the four places that I can think of that even BARELY HINT at the concept, and three of those are a stretch.

And none of those words are used ANY TIME that Jesus speaks of Preaching the Good News of the Realm of God.

By all means, I'll allow you to drift off topic. IF you think you can put forth ANYTHING like a Gospel Books version of Atonement theories, go for it. I've looked for it online and can't find anything substantive at all.

For instance, we have someone like David Peterson making a defense for it, but he does so with heaping helpings of presumption. CLEARLY, this is a man who started with the premise, "Jesus came to 'buy' our 'salvation' by 'paying for our sins' with his literal 'blood' to appease an 'angry god' who otherwise could not forgive us..." and then preceded to LOOK for and READ INTO TEXTS any verses that could possibly be taken that way. The verses themselves do not argue for his conclusions, rather, he shoves the meaning into the verses like ill-fitting shoes.

http://davidgpeterson.com/atonement/atonement-in-the-synoptic-gospels/

When Peterson finds a verse that says "He will save his people from sin..." (Matt 1:21) and then READS INTO THAT "...AND This is what Jesus did by dying, to pay for our sins..." But the verse absolutely does not say that. He's engaged in grade school eisegesis.

That in contrast to the clear meanings of passages like the SOTM or the Sheep and the Goats (which, again, is not a treatise on the actual existence of hell, but it's talking about the fundamental nature of seeking justice for the poor and marginalized to Jesus' message.)

Marshal Art said...

https://trinitybiblechapel.ca/penal-substitution-in-the-gospels/

Feodor said...

Marshal, I counter your Anselm and Calvin with Origen and Gustav Aulen.

But you’ll need a whole new brain and a year to understand how your wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christus_Victor